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Old dog
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Topic started on 04/28/2007 at 12:44:26 AM  Member Profile  Visit Old dog's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I just did my first oil change (had the Honda certified Dealer do the "break-in" first change). My honda Owner's manual says "total oil capacity including filter change" is 1.95 Liters. When I did mine it took (with oil filter change) 3.0 Liters. What I'm wondering is, does the Honda owner's manual include what the frame holds or is it just what the crank capicity is?

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GlennF
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Posted on 04/28/2007 at 07:34:44 AM  Member Profile  Visit GlennF's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You probably just overfilled the bike. That is a dry sump system which means the crankcase does not normally retain any oil, and you will probably blow the excess out.

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ALS650L
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Posted on 04/28/2007 at 08:17:01 AM  Member Profile  Reply with Quote
When I change the oil in my 650L I always put in 2-2.25 quarts. No more no less. The whole dipstick reading situation on those is kind of funny to me, but I figure if I am putting in the specified amount it is fine. The only reason you would need more would be if you had installed an oil cooler of some sort. With that much extra oil in it you will cause some blow by problems for yourself and get oil in your airbox.

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Posted on 04/28/2007 at 3:00:33 PM  Member Profile  Visit Old dog's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Nope, no blow by going on that I can see. With 1.95 liters in, I let it run for 5 minutes, then checked the level, it didn't even register on the dipstick. I kept adding until I brought it up to the "Upper Level" mark. I also noticed that when I drained the oil to change it there was right around 3 Liters that came out.

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b_king
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Posted on 04/29/2007 at 11:52:05 AM  Member Profile  Click to see b_king's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
With any dry sump engine that has an oil tank you check the oil when the engine is at operating temperature and running. Come back from a ride and stop, let the bike idle for a few seconds. Shut it off, and then start it back up again. Take out the dip stick and put it back in for your measurement. The oil level will start to slowly rise and once it stops rising, that is your oil level.

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Posted on 04/29/2007 at 2:21:13 PM  Member Profile  Visit Old dog's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The Owner's Manual procedure for doing an oil change (with filter) must be incorrect then, because the procedure I followed is exactly how they said to do it.

I've also checked the oil level with the bike running and it's the same (just touching the "Upper Level" mark). The bike runs good, I've taken the air filter out and checked for blow back and don't see any, and the bike isn't smoking.

Very strange.

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Posted on 04/29/2007 at 6:15:10 PM  Member Profile  Visit Old dog's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think I've figured it out. The 1 Liter descrepency between what the Owner's Manual says and what the bike actually holds is the amount of oil it takes to bring the dipstick level from the "Lower Level" mark to the "Upper Level" mark. When I put the 1.95 Liters in and then ran the bike for 5 minutes and then checked the level on the dipstick it must have been just below the "Lower Level" mark, which is pretty much the bottom of the dipstick. When I added oil to bring it up to the "Upper Level" mark I did it a little bit at a time until it was to the "Upper Level" mark. It took 1 Liter to do this. So it appears that the safety level between Upper and Lower levels on the dipstick is approximately 1 Liter.

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showtime45
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Posted on 04/30/2007 at 8:04:24 PM  Member Profile  Reply with Quote
My 2003 is the same way. I put in 3 liters also with no problems. The owners manual is screwy...

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one thing to consider on oil level. just idling after cold start may not bring oil to operating temps, engine itself maybe hot but not the oil. like going 65 down the highway or slow trail riding will do. i say this because when oil gets hot. it expands alittle. so you might actualy want the dipstick alittle lower then the full mark.

i know engine oil isnt as bad as some other fluids. but keep this in mind.

my 650l has always taken 2 1/4 qts with oil and oil filter change.

even though this is almost apples to oranges comparison. on water cooled automotive engines. the time it takes for oil to reach operating temps. is about twice as long as the time needed for the thermostat to open. so basicly it takes longer for the oil to get hot compared to other fluids and parts.

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