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madmac650
Sultan, WA
USA
88 Posts |
Topic started on 08/04/2010 at 09:06:54 AM
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I see this was briefly discussed before, but Lancesters question about xr evolution got me daydreaming about what the new xr should be.
Of course keeping in mind expense of finished product. Maybe using existing, proven components to help in that respect....
I'm not the first to suggest an xr650R frame and motor, but don't bone us with a small tank AGAIN! I say at least 3.5 to 4 gal. Connect it to a 6 speed (I would like a similar gearing but w/ the addition of a granny gear). There is a six speed in production that would work??guessing. What else?
I would prefer a 2 spark plug set up as well for extra reliability but more for the 8 to 10 percent power increase. Maybe the R has that already ...may require a head redesign? Maybe impossible? $$$?
Blah,blah, I could go all day. And all this assuming they don't already have a new L in the works.
What do you think Honda could but into production for about $7,000?
Maybe someone at Honda will see what it's most loyal and knowledgeable customers think. |
2005 XR650L - Dave's mods, Keihin 55/Mikuni 165, 1.75 turns, uncorked, Uni air filter, IMS smog block, de-snorkeled, de-boogered stock header, Jetson CZR, IMS 4.0 gal tank, vented "baja" fender mod, XRs only temp dip stick, growl's oil cooler, relocated horn. |
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HorseRider650
Ohio
USA
589 Posts |
Posted on 08/04/2010 at 2:13:55 PM
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If you've been to Honda lately you'd see that the 650L is no longer in production. Some say a new model is in the works while others say the economy is to blame. However if a new model was in the works I'd hope it's something like this;
1) If any change is to be made...don't F-up its reliability with its low maintenance. Golden Rule#1
2) Time to go on The Biggest Loser t.v. show and lose lets say 100+ lbs.
3) Water-cooled would be a plus.
4) Fuel injection would be nice.
5) Inverted forks would help.
6) Longer seat for those of us who like to ride with our wives.
7) More of that good old fashioned torque. That's the reason so many of us find the bike fun to ride over more powerful Dual Sports.
8) Simple Speedo-and-Tach set-up much like the new Vmax, not to mention make sure the front brake line doesn't block the view at any speed.
9) Keep the cost per unit affordable unlike the new Vmax.
10) What does anyone else think
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08 XR650L - Sold |
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madmac650
Sultan, WA
USA
88 Posts |
Posted on 08/05/2010 at 05:51:05 AM
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edited: Now I'm torn about losing too much weight! Guess this will vary for the rider. I'm a bigger guy and I bought my pig because I feel giant on a 200 lb bike. The liquid cooled 650R motor and frame would shave off a little weight...25 or 30 lbs?? Is it possible to lose 100 lbs without shrinking the whole bike and going to a 450 motor or using expensive components adding $$$? Dont want to lose the big bore at any cost and I dont mind the feeling of 300 + lbs when I'm on the hiway doing 65. I dunno. Lose some weight but not TORQUE...good point.
What's the big advantage with inverted forks? Lower CG or something?
DANG! good point cracked jr. I forgot about the kick start...screw the weight loss anyway. Deep fried bacon, anyone? |
2005 XR650L - Dave's mods, Keihin 55/Mikuni 165, 1.75 turns, uncorked, Uni air filter, IMS smog block, de-snorkeled, de-boogered stock header, Jetson CZR, IMS 4.0 gal tank, vented "baja" fender mod, XRs only temp dip stick, growl's oil cooler, relocated horn. |
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cracked junior
Varmintator
USA
1469 Posts |
Posted on 08/05/2010 at 08:16:17 AM
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i can see honda going to the 450 motor or using the trx700 atv motor. both water cooled, have fuel injection but both are also over 7500.
one of the reasons the 650r was lighter was the aluminum frame and kick start only. between the battery, starter and extra wiring that's close to 30 lbs. |
05 XR650L - Dave's carb mods, needle shimmed .024, 160/55, ceramic coated headpipe w/welds ground, fmf quiet exh, snorkle & smog junk gone, tkc80 rear tire, chopped xr400 front fender, 15/45 sprockets.
- Donated to the support of 4Strokes.com |
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madmac650
Sultan, WA
USA
88 Posts |
Posted on 08/05/2010 at 10:24:12 AM
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| Sounds like we need 2 new dual sports, a 450 on par with the DRZ for horserider, and a 650. After more thought, I just dont think its practical or affordable to make a big bore weigh 225 lbs anyway. Not trying to be a rod, I just think it's unrealistic if we are still talking 650 motors. |
2005 XR650L - Dave's mods, Keihin 55/Mikuni 165, 1.75 turns, uncorked, Uni air filter, IMS smog block, de-snorkeled, de-boogered stock header, Jetson CZR, IMS 4.0 gal tank, vented "baja" fender mod, XRs only temp dip stick, growl's oil cooler, relocated horn. |
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vivianm
Wellington
New Zealand
300 Posts |
Posted on 08/06/2010 at 01:15:27 AM
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yeah its a tough call on what we'd all want. As the dual sport stuff will always be caught in the middle of viewpoints.
I also think that they will go to the 450 motor and make that road legal-ish. With the Dakar race going 450's, I'm sure that will have some influence. I have a thread here (xrl vs ktm) and the thread ends up about my mates going with the YZ450WR and how we decided that spending money making that road legal, was the best option...that really is a great machine plus...I like the e-start AND kick start on it. That motor has shit loads of torque and power, and is a reliable beast. I'm not convinced on the CR450 motor, and that is could take the same hammering.
Ironically, the weight of the bike isn't an issue for me. I like the extra mass, when its blowing a gale, and carry extra gear doesn't affect it as much. |
KTM 690E 2008 -
KTM foam filter, Leo Vince Muffler, Akra Map, KTM gel seat, Rox Risers, Rally Raid Tank bolts (upper and lower), case saver, oxford heated carbon over grips
98 XR650L - SOLD |
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jrsride2002
San Diego, CA
USA
190 Posts |
Posted on 09/05/2010 at 08:39:15 AM
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Originally posted by HorseRider650
1) If any change is to be made...don't F-up its reliability with its low maintenance. Golden Rule#1 - ++++ AGREED!! ++++
2) Time to go on The Biggest Loser t.v. show and lose lets say 100+ lbs. I agree, but I think 100 is to much to do, I say 50lbs. The 650R is about 250-275 stock, where the 650L is 350 stock. I think keep whats on there, give me an aluminum frame. 
3) Water-cooled would be a plus. I gotta say no, I KNOW there are those times when we ride them that we feel this way, but this is half the reason why our bike is sooo reliable... IMO
4) Fuel injection would be nice. ++++ AGREED!! ++++
5) Inverted forks would help. ++++ AGREED!! ++++
6) Longer seat for those of us who like to ride with our wives. I have only gone two up a couple of times, but they were nice rides, so I could agree with this. Just not as enthusiastic as the other ideas you've pitched. ++
7) More of that good old fashioned torque. That's the reason so many of us find the bike fun to ride over more powerful Dual Sports. I say this is up to your building needs. Im on the fence about this one, stock form is gutless compared to a cam and forged piston.
8) Simple Speedo-and-Tach set-up much like the new Vmax, not to mention make sure the front brake line doesn't block the view at any speed. ++++ MAJOR AGREEANCE!! ++++
9) Keep the cost per unit affordable unlike the new Vmax. Depends on how far they want this to go..
10) What does anyone else think !!!! LOSE THE IN FRAME OIL SYSTEM!!!! BAAAHHHHH Worst design I think they have done to any bike!! 
Madmac650:
Bigger stock tank HAS to be in there also, so im with you right there. I think 4 gal might be much to ask of a manufacture, but 3 or 3.25 or 3.5 should be the magic number(s). And I cant argue a sixth gear!! One thing I really want, is for Honda to make this thing have something for the aftermarket companies!! EVERY GUY ON HERE, has some how Frankenstein-ed their machine to make it better. And thats because that Honda never put a lot of thought into this bike like the did/do for the 650R... I just wish I knew what that kind of nitch would be...
The inverted forks or USD(UpSide Down[ridiculous name]) forks offer a better rebound in dirt and street, and supposed to be smoother on the road... I don't know yet, I've been trying to do this mod for a year.. ..
Vivian:
How long do we have to wait to see you and your 650L tear up the Dakar??   |
02 XR650L - Big bore 671cc, Stage 1 cam, Diamond intake & exhaust valves, custom oil cooler added for kicks, full FMF exhaust(power bomb and Power core 4 v.2), Keihin carb, and a proper dyno tunning, CR250 forks with Emig stem.
02 Suzuki DR650 - stock |
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vivianm
Wellington
New Zealand
300 Posts |
Posted on 09/05/2010 at 1:19:27 PM
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Went for a classic NZ trail/adventure ride yesterday with me on the pig, and my mate on his WR450. Doing these rides always reveals what is important in design.
I put on my spare set of wheels with brand new knobblies, and was that horrible on the road. The BRP feels almost too heavy for those tyres and it was mush, and wandering like riding on ball bearings. One the dirt is was excellent but still felt that I will have to buy a Steering Damper. All the dakar bikes have the dampers, and from what I have read, its seems to be one of those...:"I wish I had got one earlier"
The other thing, is perhaps NO to fuel injection...or the need for the bike to run with a battery. These new FI bikes, can't run without a battery, flat battery or anything like that. These good ol' 650L can run without that battery altogether so it makes it even more reliable.
hmmmm re: Dakar - too old, but perhaps the shorter baja might be fun :-D |
KTM 690E 2008 -
KTM foam filter, Leo Vince Muffler, Akra Map, KTM gel seat, Rox Risers, Rally Raid Tank bolts (upper and lower), case saver, oxford heated carbon over grips
98 XR650L - SOLD |
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Metalcarver
Nikiski, AK
USA
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Posted on 10/20/2010 at 1:23:36 PM
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| How about a low range and high range for the transmission. Like almost all 4x4's have. |
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HorseRider650
Ohio
USA
589 Posts |
Posted on 10/21/2010 at 5:15:45 PM
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Not sure if a hi/low would be possible but I owned a 1974 Harley SX125 and it had dual rear sprockets.
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08 XR650L - Sold |
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bbultema
Schererville, IL
USA
50 Posts |
Posted on 10/24/2010 at 6:02:43 PM
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| Dual sprockets front and back would make a hi low combo. But sixth gear would solve the whole problem. Seat and gas tank would solve most other problems. Not much to ask for really. |
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SpudRider
Idaho
USA
160 Posts |
Posted on 11/11/2010 at 12:55:47 AM
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I would really like a kick starter to back up the magic button. 
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05 XR650L: Shorai Battery Relocation; Spud Cooler; XR650R C/S Sprocket; Reinforced Subframe; Manracks Luggage Rack; MT21 rear tire; CST Surge I, Front Tire |
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vivianm
Wellington
New Zealand
300 Posts |
Posted on 11/11/2010 at 4:30:51 PM
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I think the CRf450X is going to be the unit. e-start, kick starter, Wide ratio gearbox, ignition key, kick stand etc...so they seem very capable replacement for the XRL
Australian versions ship will indicators and full road kit, the engine is modified to be mid range monsters, still has Nikasil bore etc, upgraded alternator. I am currently trying to get hold of one here in NZ. I'll probably keep the XR regardless now...and then save this one for more agressive Dual sporting. |
KTM 690E 2008 -
KTM foam filter, Leo Vince Muffler, Akra Map, KTM gel seat, Rox Risers, Rally Raid Tank bolts (upper and lower), case saver, oxford heated carbon over grips
98 XR650L - SOLD |
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doublemeat
Michigan
USA
7 Posts |
Posted on 05/21/2011 at 06:13:51 AM
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The new XR650 should be an XVR Africa Twin.
All they would have to do is certify the Euro version for EPA in the US. |
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doublemeat
Michigan
USA
7 Posts |
Posted on 05/21/2011 at 06:17:10 AM
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| Also, must have kick start and add a 6th gear and change the gearing range. |
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Virginian
Evangeline, LA
USA
29 Posts |
Posted on 05/21/2011 at 5:38:15 PM
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| I'm easy. I'd like it a little lower at the seat, a little longer and more comfortable seat, a TACHOMETER, a bigger tank, and either a 6 speed or re-gear the tranny to lower 1st and close the 1-2 gap. I don't need a radiator or FI, and the oil in the frame tank doesn't bother me. My brake line sticks up right behind the numberplate and doesn't block anything, it just looks strange. Some weight loss would be great, as well as hiring a good welder or buying a robot to do it. |
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